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  For to him who has more will be given

  by A Paduan in

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  can someone tell me how jws view this scripture ?

  and does anyone know where dungbeetle went?.

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  A Paduan

  Can someone tell me how jws view this scripture ? And does anyone know where dungbeetle went?

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  re: question on the magi

  by A Paduan in

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  i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

  is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

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  So the star moved a bit ?

  paduan

  Oh, I forgot - if kings have stars, and that one was really Satan - where was Jesus' star - shouldn't he have a star ?

  Edited by - a paduan on 23 August 2002 6:27:42
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  scriptual proof?

  by A Paduan in

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  is there such a thing in the sense that it is spoken of?

  i was thinking of a certain debate i've entered into, scriptual one, and realised that no matter what might be said, hearers of scripture are plainly given to hear it as they will - however it is that i may hear a teaching, another may well not - and it's intended to be that way.

  free will is just that.

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  Further to the discussion , I put forward that to desire the type of "proof" that the literal absolutists may seek (and deliver), is an avoidance of and aversion to 'fearing God'. i.e. The hope being that, the condition of being scared of Him is alleviated by "nailing Him down" before "lifting Him up" - via such "proofs".

  This being rather different from the "incredible lightness of being" fear experienced while actively fearing Him - entering the awe of Him. eg. Indiana Jones and his step of faith in Last Crusade.

  This 'fear' is often felt by those "selling all they have" etc., and love interceeds to remove even this fear - and so, on to 'fear Him' again. This explains to me how someone can be daringly nasty, but yet still a coward.

  I hope I have exercised my free will in this hearing.

  paduan

  "Take heed then how you hear; for to him who has will more be given"

  Edited by - a paduan on 23 August 2002 6:32:6
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  Do JW's pay tithing?

  by Double Edge in

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  a friend of mine said that jw's paid tithing.

  i've never heard it mentioned on this board - is this true, and if so is there a set amount?

  it's biblical so i would expect the jw to say something about it.

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  I am thinking that they really get into that 'corban' sort of thing

  Edited by - a paduan on 22 August 2002 18:39:31
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  re: question on the magi

  by A Paduan in

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  i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

  is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

  paduan

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  it IS a mistake to assume that the Magi "followed" the star, as if they saw it in motion.

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  the star was already there waiting for their arrival, stationary over the home of Jesus

  So it was high enough to see from the east, imprecise enough to venture into Jerusalem, but actually low enough in the sky to pick out Jesus' place.

  It's stretching into a flat earth theory.

  Nevertheless, how do you read Isaiah 14:10-15 ?

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  I NEED your advice!!!!! Please reply!

  by worldly girl in

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  ok here's the deal..... i've not had much to do w/ my parents since jan '02 when my mother and i got into over her force feeding my 3 year old the "troof".

  when i respectfully ask her on behalf of myself and my non jw husband, to respect us enough to let us teach our child about religion.... her response was "well if you don't want her around our religion, then don't bring her around us".

  and during the course of this conversation she stated this in the most hateful of tones at least 4 or 5 times to both me and my husband, in front of our daughter.... well i was furious.... that she would say such a thing and openly chose to have nothing to w/ my daughter.. without being given an ultimatum<sp> to choose.

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  Innoculate. It's strong protection. If my parents talked jwism to my son I would not have to worry - still, I wouldn't plainly let them, for my own composure, and for his healthy view of my parents - as being ill rather than evil.

  A three pronged approach

  - innoculate with such things as Jehovah's not actually His name, it's only a 'modern' religion (christianity is very old), the bible stories are special spiritual teachings not to be taken in a literal way (eg eating rules) - even buddhists know that, end of the world people have anxiety from underlying fears, jws have touted a heap of known false prophesies, they're no better than anyone else (and often even worse), they don't give to charity and establish social welfare etc etc

  - kindness, make sure your not an angry nut case in front of them and teach them to be kind to all creation, and to your 'affected' parents.

  - satisfy, give them the things that your parents are trying to subvert you with. Be the one to tell them bible stories, that they are stories, for goodness, and definitely not self-righteousness.

  If you don't want your children to drown, you give them swimming lessons - better that than moving inland - there's always a body of water somewhere.

  paduan

  Edited by - a paduan on 22 August 2002 18:11:27
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  re: question on the magi

  by A Paduan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

  is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

  paduan

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  A Paduan

  Yardiff,

  Just a question, Isaiah 14:10-15 How do you read that?

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  scriptual proof?

  by A Paduan in

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  is there such a thing in the sense that it is spoken of?

  i was thinking of a certain debate i've entered into, scriptual one, and realised that no matter what might be said, hearers of scripture are plainly given to hear it as they will - however it is that i may hear a teaching, another may well not - and it's intended to be that way.

  free will is just that.

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  Is there such a thing in the sense that it is spoken of? I was thinking of a certain debate I've entered into, scriptual one, and realised that no matter what might be said, hearers of scripture are plainly given to hear it as they will - however it is that I may hear a teaching, another may well not - and it's intended to be that way.

  Free will is just that. On the other hand, "proof" is for making a deal, to buy and sell, seek for a sign etc. "Who has the true religion, do they have proof?" Biblical debate ends up boiling down to opinion. Free will allows us to carry out and live our intention - it's not just cases of 'inadequate historical resources' - we are provided with free will.

  "Take heed then how you hear; for to him who has will more be given"

  ..Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?"

  paduan

  Edited by - a paduan on 22 August 2002 10:21:46
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  review: Americans Love Conspiracies

  by Dogpatch in

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  december 18, 2001, tuesday

  the arts/cultural desk

  books of the times; americans love a conspiracy, but why?

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  A Paduan

  Now that IS a conspiracy - and we've got one here called "terra nullis". But we're not simply the target of one - we're doing it.

  paduan

  Edited by - a paduan on 22 August 2002 7:35:42
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  re: question on the magi

  by A Paduan in

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  i think that i read somewhere that jws believe that the magi who followed the star were 'evil' .

  is that the case - if so how did they figure that?

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  This star came to rest over the place where the child was.

  I'll stick with the repentance version, rather than the conspiracy, but for now I'm out of time - Lord willing I'll study it and post again.

  paduan

  Oh, when the magi deceived Herod, why didn't the star get brighter - and follow Jesus to Egypt ?

  Hang on, don't tell me, I know. Chasing Him off was enough.

  Looking further - paduan

  Edited by - a paduan on 22 August 2002 3:45:11